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These two machines both have build dates of 8/11/52 (along with 10 other machines on the survey).

You can see that Singer obviously used a standard progression in assigning numbers.

Presumably models seldom lasted more than a decade in unchanged form so this wouldn't be too much of a problem. The American serial numbers start at AD545389 (1933)and methodically increase to AM696632 (1957).

A good example to disprove your explanation would be AK996181 and AL000663 (both of which I own, by the way, and I can tell you they are identical, not built years apart).

Maybe the explanation you were given by Singer predates 1933 or is for machines made later than the 1960's.

The factory designation, if it was not made in the USA, followed the model number. There are other examples for the plants in Scotland and in Germany.

It's probably the above system that the 0800 number uses to so-accurately date machines and why they are sometimes multiples of ten years wrong as the 1 in the second example could be 1951, 61, 71, 81 or 91. ---------------------------- Date: Wed, -0500 From: [email protected]: Singer serial numbers Graham: After looking at the serial numbers of over 300 Featherweights that are on the database, I can guarantee you that there are no encrypted build dates in the serial numbers.

Just before the Russian Revolution 1917 Singer built a vast plant in Russia but after the dust settled it was taken over by the Bolsheviks. ---------------------------- Date: Sat, -0500 From: Jim Wagner ([email protected]) Subject: Different FW models Hi Fellow Fanatics, I was going to reply to Sheila via E-Mail but I thought this may be of more general interest.

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That you can call the Singer company and get the birthdate of yourmachine. The Singer # is1-800-4-SINGER Singer Dating, US: 1-800-4Singer Singer Dating, US: 1-800-877-7762 Singer Industrials Dating/Info., US: 1-800-342-6808 Dating your Singer machine SINGER DATES N....1900 L....1901 K....1902 B....1904 H....1906 D....1908 G--0,999,999....1909 G--2,500,000....1910 G--4,400,000....1913 G--6,500,000....1916 G--8,500,000....1919 G--9,999,999....1921 G--0,998,000....1924 F....1924 Y....1925Model Years made Comments ----------------------------- 15 15-13 15-90 24 24-50 treadle, small 24-80 27 treadle 28-4 hand-cranked, 3/4 size, vibrating shuttle 31kls industrial 44kl3 1925 treadle 66 treadle, drop-in bobbin 66-1 treadle 66-4 66-6 66-16 99k 3/4 size, hand-cranked or electric portable 99-13 knee-press 99k-28 portable 101 127 treadle 128 portable 128-13 132k6 industrial 185j 1960-62 green portable 191 industrial 2-56 featherweight 221-1 " 221b 1968-70 white " 221j tan ", beige 221k 1941-64 black ", off white 221k1 " 221k5 " 221k7 " white " 221? 222k 1941-64 free-arm 241-12 industrial 2-59 slant needle; straight needle 301a " tan 301a " beige 319 327p plastic machine 328k 331k4 industrial 338 turquoise 404 500a 591 industrial, computer unit Capri new, white Spartan Toys - model 20 ? In 1905 some Singer's were manufactured under the name of Date: 23 Feb 96 EST From: Graham Forsdyke ([email protected]) Subject: Contributions/Factory designations There's been some confusion over Singer factory designation codes, some, understandably, believing that E was for England. I am using the word factory to describe a location where machines were either built or assembled.A Anderson South Carolina AP Lagos Nigera B Bonnieres France BE Casablanca Morocco BG Bancock Thailand C Campinas Brazil CH Santiago Chili Cy Ratmalana Ceylon E Elizabeth NJ USA F Taytay Phillipines G Karlsruhe Germany GH Tema Ghana H Karachi Pakistan HC Chittigong East Pakistan J St Jaohns Canada K Clydebank Scotland L Bogota Colombia LM Kinshasha Congo M Monza Italy ML Petaling Malaysia N Taichung Taiwan P Penrith NSW Australia PR Lima Peru Q Johannesburg S Africa R Querataro Mexico T Delhi India TN Tunis Tunisia U Utsunomiga Japan V Buenos Aires Argentinia VN Saigon South Vietnam Y Maltepe Turkey Z Alcenon France There were also "factories" in Wurselen in Germany and Alencon in France but I can find no record of designations for them.

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  2. eric   •  

    But talking about that makes others think you are nuts.

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